There is a disconnect between average citizens and the people voted into office representing them in office.
I know that’s a no-brainer but it needs to be mentioned.
Yesterday, the Senate passed the guns in bars and restaurants bill in Tennessee, which I spoke of last week with our old friend, Mr. Jimmy, who has had more choice words to stay about in recent days that I can’t print here because it would make your brain freeze up.
I’m second amendment. I know a lot of people that carry and have their permits to do so. I have a deer in my freezer right now courtesy of a hunter. My father and grandfather had guns and rifles that we were not allowed to even look at cross-eyed when I was a child.
That’s not the point.
The point is that it’s common sense that guns and booze do not mix. It’s that simple. And our legislature in this state had to debate this? Let me help, guns and booze do not mix. It’s not about guns. It’s not about booze. It’s about that a law will go into effect that say you can mix them together and the simple fact that I’ve talked to a lot of people who own these kinds of businesses that are unclear on some things. Not everyone has a computer to go look up the bill.
And, there should have been a very distinct line between restaurants and bars in this legislation. That’s my opinion.
The disconnect that I speak of comes from the appalling fact that people here in Hoots that make their livelihood in small juke joints (for lack of a better word) were not approached about this bill. Just talking to the local chamber or buddies at a Fish Fry/Strawberry Festival/Iris Festival at a luncheon where the local clique is does not speak to the entire voice of a community. (For that matter, neither do I which I own.) I do know they were approached by these folks that don’t fit into the political demographic of those who gets consulted and those who doesn’t. If your political representative is only going to be around from 12:08 p.m. to 1:12 on their agenda when they are going to be on a float in a parade, some folks can’t lock up their businesses and run them down. And politicians are notorious for calling at the last minute saying they are going to be in town. Not everyone can get there because of this crazy thing called a job.
And that is where my disappointment lies in our leadership in Nashville. One of the pat answers was “Well, they can put up a sign.” Signs are already up, dudes which I think speaks volumes.
All righty then, let’s look at the dollars. If a drunk person enters a bar after they’ve been drinking somewhere else, that bartender can opt not to give them a drink. Yeah, that’s seem simple. So drunk dude is having a coke, has a gun on him and someone says something he doesn’t like. (I’m being very simplistic here, I realized, but just setting up the situation.)
Bars can sometimes be volatile. Argument breaks out and the worst case scenario happens. Let’s pray it doesn’t, but let’s say it does. (Of course, it’s happened before this bill but work with me here.)
So, the bar did the right thing. They didn’t serve this person. They knew the person had been drinking but they didn’t serve them alcohol during their stay in the juke joint. They may or may not have known dude/chick had a gun. Drunk dude/chick didn’t buy a beer as he was carrying.
Something happens.
But the question remains very simple. Who is held liable if there is an incident?
Is the bar held liable because they followed the law or is the drunk person held liable (the criminal part will be taken care of by law enforcement)?
A sign doesn’t really discuss those things, now does it.
Many people think that it won’t make a big difference, and that’s good. I want to look at both sides of the story, but what I’m talking about is that there questions that went unanswered to the people it affects them the most. Once again, I speak of communication in geographically challenged areas like Hoots. That connection between places like Hoots and Nashville has a large gap, as usual. It’s not like some of us haven’t tried, but still …
Politicians will keep talking to the Chambers, to their buddies and to other folks who basically agree with them on everything. Believe me, I’ve seen this first hand, but the bottom line is there are a whole lot of subcultures in this state which may not get the attention that they should but that are also of value.
When the laws impact those subcultures, the politicians need to talk to them. If you can wave to the crowd in a parade, you can talk to folks who will be impacted by the laws you are creating.
And they don’t need to be so disconnected, because those people vote too. One place I spoke to has raised over $100,000 for the Special Olympics over the years. Another place has also raised hundreds of thousands of dollars helping citizens with supplements to their insurance or lack of when that person is sick.
Everything may not be what it seems on the surface. And those people are talking about who they will vote for more than a year before the election because they feel very disconnected by the people representing them now.
There are different kinds of constituents, campers.
Were they asked about the bill?
You know the answer to that question.
They aren’t to happy with all of this. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
Well, we have hit the three of the Big Gs in this legislative season (Guns and God), let’s move on to the gays now.

Unemployment and education can wait, she says with a great deal of snark.



I’m not sure I follow your scenario here. The new law doesn’t change anything with the situation. He was carrying illegally before and after the law. The new law doesn’t change anything before and after. The liable party is the person that would be pulling the trigger (if it isn’t in self-defense)…as always.
Blake, thank you for stopping by.
And, maybe you can answer the questions that I have and I can let you know where this post came from.
Several bar owners here, all but one who has a carry permit, understood the law as you did. They didn’t understand why additional legislation was needed. When they tried to get some answers, they didn’t get any.
As for liable, it was one of the questions answered from a civil lawsuit standpoint. From that perspective, they had some questions that went, they felt, unanswered on that aspect so I put it up here for them. I appreciate you responding.
My whole point is actually two-fold, first of all, there was a disconnect that happened on a political plane. The second issue was that why a bill of this nature, which is all ready under the law, was necessary. I honestly feel the same way when other laws are passed when there are already laws in place.
I state pretty clearly in my post that I’m a second amendment supporter, but sometimes the political disconnect happens, as I call it. Calls were made, conversations were broached.
There just weren’t any answers on why it was necessary from those people who will be impacted by the bill.
Thank you for your comment. I’m glad we are having a discussion about this that they will see and read all sides of.
(P.S. All first time commentors are moderated. Sorry about that.)
There is a disconnect between average citizens and the people voted into office representing them in office.
Preach is sister Coma.
Here’s the angle I haven’t seen addressed. DUIs are enhanced if the drunk driver has a gun on his/her person.
I imagine we’ll see more of these — and perhaps violence that stems from guns & alcohol mingling.
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how about some examples of how any prmit holder has ever shot any body that wasn’t self defense……..not these stupid hypotheticals……….there are about 30 states that already passed this law…….tn should have passed this years ago………330 thousand permit holders in tn and three times that many want one but just have not had the time to get one yet.
maybe one of these permit holders will save your life someday……..or not
There will always be people who worry that there are bad people out there who are bound and determined to injure them. Most of these peple who wish to carry handguns will never, ever need them, despite their fears.
I’ve made it 60 years without needing to shoot anyone yet and considering the number of people I’ve thought it might be worth shooting, that’s probably a good thing.